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Мнение от ape20ff » 17/12/2009, 16:47

Hello to everybody. A special thanks to Deyan and the forum staff for their fast help.
I'd like to introduce the A.P.E(Auto Power Electronic)

Auto Power Electronic
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45-837 Opole

tel. (077) 474-56-74 +48774745674
fax (077) 474-51-51 +48774745151

http://ape.com.pl/index.php?setlng=en



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Мнение от ape20ff » 17/12/2009, 17:17

From english to bulgarian by google translate:
http://translate.google.bg/translate?u= ... =&ie=UTF-8
http://ape.com.pl/index.php?setlng=en
Look on the left where the word shop is,then click on show menu and you can see all products.
I'd like to show you special ignition modules "sport", it can be very useful in case you use alternative fuels as lpg and natural gas.
The sport module:
* Increases the power and flexibility of the engine
* Increases spark energy by 80%
* Reduces fuel consumption
* Recommended for gas-powered engines
* Увеличава силата и гъвкавостта на двигателя
* Увеличава искра на енергия с 80%
* Намалява разхода на гориво
* Препоръчва се за газ захранва двигатели
Here,there are the ignition modules(moduly zaplonowe in polish) with their application list:
http://ape.com.pl/index.php?pgnum=0&id=13
That's for fiat 125 p:
http://ape.com.pl/index.php?id=21&produkt=108
That's for fso/daewoo:
http://ape.com.pl/index.php?id=22&produkt=148
There are are standard ignition modules too, for lada ,yugo, G.M. dis, and so on.
There is something special for fiat cinquecento 704 and 126:
http://ape.com.pl/index.php?id=44&produkt=164
It's the nanoplex replacement. It costs less than 25 euros.
I'll add something more,later.
See you.



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Мнение от ape20ff » 17/12/2009, 23:18

ape 20 full fire ignition module on fiat cinquecento 704:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxluGF9
What the ignition consists of:
the ignition ecu,the coil,the rpm sensor and a vacuum switch, of course it needs a trigger wheel too.
The whole ignition:
Изображение
the coil and the sensor are very common on many cars of the fiat group.
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There are 2 ignition curves into the ecu selected by the vacuum switch, you can find this part on 126el/elx,cinquecento 704, 903 engined with carburettor.
There is a similar stuff on citroen visa/lna 650 that works on the same pressure
150 mmHg but I can't confirm that you can use that because I don't know if it works in the same way.
Thi is the vacuum switch:
Изображение
The ecu can work without the swicht too if you don't need vaccum advance.
To see what cars fit the same sensor and coil like cinquecento and 126s
look for cinquecento 704 on facet catalogue:
http://www.facet.it/
Click on lingua to select language.
About trigger wheel(2+1thoot) you can find one from later 126s or try to make by yourself.
The pictures are from cinquecento ignition that rotates anti clockwise from the 126s so mind if you're going to use the following picture to make a handmade trigger wheel:
Изображение
It takes a reversed image.
2 exemples of the ignition module on 126:
http://club126uk.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4248.0
the link in polish:
http://fiat126p.pl/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 6d536e0e79
in english

It doesn't work very well. However you can undertand about tuning: bigger valves from cc 700, ported head, camshaft 385 and so on....
There's something about turbinka and camshft on this site:
viewtopic.php?t=1010
in english
viewtopic.php?t=679
in english

Thanks everybody for your attention.
See you.
It was told about ignition, запалване, allumage, accensione, zapalování, zapaľovanie, zundung, paljenje, паљење, zapłonu, aprindere, ontsteking, for audi, vw, opel, daewoo, lada, yugo, fiat125, cinquecento, 126, maluch, bambino, peglica, пеглица, Фичо....



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Мнение от ape20ff » 20/12/2009, 02:40

Sorry for my english and for missing letters in the words.
I found this:
http://gallery.126p.info/displayimage.p ... fullsize=1
Is it still avaiable?
I'm sure it's vintage.
Let's listen to a song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPJIr04cX08
Bye



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Мнение от DeYaN » 20/12/2009, 11:03

Hi! Good info about tha ignition!

The lighter timing chain is something that I'm also looking for. Last time I saw it, was on ebay.de 6 months ago for about 35 euro.



About the "music"... it's kind of soft-porno, so you'd better watch it, but never listen. It's just a stupid peasant "bulgarian"(cos it's oriental-gipsy one, not a bulgarian style) disco polo.


Ми той умрял, ма... Ко!? Не!!!

[22:17:55] 6liopar: оооооо, не мога аз на [душ] кабина!!! Имам клаустрофобия...
[22:18:33] tekilaaa: каква клаустрофобия бре!? 126 караш, за клаустрофобия ми говориш...

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Мнение от ape20ff » 22/12/2009, 20:51

Hello, I saw on ebay for 70 euro but it was by fiat. It was too much time ago.
I think that maybe Popsy one is the same as:
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200 grams instead of 350.
There's a polish seller on ebay that sells for 40 euro but I don't know about the brand.
I've just found again but it costs 45 euro now:

If I didn't misunderstand, this shop sells the genuine fiat for 80 euro:
http://shop.epage.it/turbo1sport/
I found this too about lighter chain kit:
http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi
Yesterday the piture of vacuum switch wasn't avaiable. I took from 500forum.de
Maybe you should save them somewhere in case they disappear for ever.
Bye bye



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Мнение от ape20ff » 23/12/2009, 19:22

To prevent mistake on religious holy days:

Have happy holydays!



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Мнение от DeYaN » 23/12/2009, 20:06

Dziękuję bardzo!!! :) You the same! :D


Ми той умрял, ма... Ко!? Не!!!

[22:17:55] 6liopar: оооооо, не мога аз на [душ] кабина!!! Имам клаустрофобия...
[22:18:33] tekilaaa: каква клаустрофобия бре!? 126 караш, за клаустрофобия ми говориш...

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Мнение от ape20ff » 31/12/2009, 16:12

Happy new year!



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Мнение от DeYaN » 01/01/2010, 12:05

:birthday1: Szczęśliwego nowego roku!!! :)


Ми той умрял, ма... Ко!? Не!!!

[22:17:55] 6liopar: оооооо, не мога аз на [душ] кабина!!! Имам клаустрофобия...
[22:18:33] tekilaaa: каква клаустрофобия бре!? 126 караш, за клаустрофобия ми говориш...

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Мнение от ape20ff » 09/02/2010, 18:21

Hello to everybody.
Deyan, how many infos you wrote on this forum! Congratulations ! How you can find them!
Well, about trigger wheel for 126 that should be right and it's shown the angle to set up the idle at 4° and 10°:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxaANr0
Pictures of all parts:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_MQSJ49CCIns/SwrSB ... 0_6566.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_MQSJ49CCIns/SwrSQ ... 0_6571.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_MQSJ49CCIns/SwrSU ... 0_6567.jpg
Of course it's for standard carb only.
The last part for vacuum advance:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_MQSJ49CCIns/SwrSb ... 0_6569.jpg
It doesn't seem too complicated to add 3 theet like you saw on the 126 el pulley but it takes a lot of precision and it shoul be checked by an oscilloscope. Unfortunately I haven't got measures. Owing to little price of the pulley you may ask Matuska to purchase some of them. Maybe you can find in Bulgaria too. If you may wait for the meeting in Zvolen you'll save shipping cost too.
I found pictures of a handmade trigger wheel. I don't know if there's a piece of mistake but maybe you can take thoot measures from there.
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 00_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 00_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 03_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 03_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 03_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 03_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 03_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 15_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 15_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 21_loc.jpg
http://upmyphoto.com/img/image.php?imag ... 13_loc.jpg
Somebody added the 3 theet on the flywheel.
http://www.cinquino.net/public/Davide/2 ... volano.JPG
http://www.cinquino.net/public/Davide/2 ... to%201.JPG
http://www.cinquino.net/public/Davide/2 ... to%202.JPG
I saw on bulgarian forums something about digital ignitions, I understood something about problem to find the right ecu for replacement but fortunately there are seller that have everything for italian cars (used parts).
However there are fiat-lancia igntion that have trigger wheels on the flywhell and the shape of the sensor is different. The trigger wheel is 4+1 in this case, maybe the thoot is made like a bolt so you could take off 3 of them and to use with its own sensor on your 126 flywhell. I don't know if it can be done.
The 126 el pulley(or one made like that) is the simpler way. If you have the help of a timing light you cuold find the marks for different set up at the idle. You can make so to have an adjustable sensor mounting.
However I think that the right set up for an ape 20 full fire ignition on a 126 is 4° at the idle. Think of 500 abarth that has ignition advance 4-34°.
However if you don't need adjustement you can make a very simple sensor mounting.
http://www.cinquino.net/public/iottand/ ... 2839_3.jpg
That isn't right for a trigger wheel under the pulley because in thi case it's on the pulley so you must fit the sensor closer the engine block.
To save money on shipping cost there are other ape products that you may interesting in them. If some people agrre before to buy...
I hope that a dealer will be in Bulgaria.
Nothing else to add.
Deyan have you ever thought to fit a cluster from cinquecento sporting on your car? The tachometer must betuned(I dont'know how), water gauge can became oil temperature gauge. Speemeter of course from 126.
http://www.polskajazda.pl/Samochody/Fiat/126/44404
Gauge used for oil.
Look at the end of video. It's fit the glow gauges too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLJGz0_7 ... re=related
Good bye
A very useful video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbWz31TqEgA



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Re: A.P.E:car electronics and electrical engineering applian

Мнение от ape20ff » 19/06/2010, 20:26

Hello to everybody.
Maybe my exemple about ignition setting wasn't very good.It was for Abarth but it happens that timing ignition is very various.
For exemple the bosmal 126, 30 hp, has the idle set up at 6°:
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... temid%3D57" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'mnot sure it's the same kit like bosmal.
Sometimes it takes more advance.
If I didn't misunderstand in the following page,there are different camshaft,from the standard to hotter ones(reading from the left to the right). It starts with simpler works thoward to extreme tuning.
just from shaving the head a little bit and changing the car max jet to something more difficult as shaved head,ported,bigger valves...
With the standard distributor it takes more advance step by step:
http://www.126fan.pl/www/wal_rozrz.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... =&ie=UTF-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As written on the ecu is made for cc and 126 el:
Изображение
If we check the dtasheet of 126 el we'll see that the set up for cc nanoplex on 126 is 4°:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... =&ie=UTF-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The same should be done with the ape 20ff. In case of tuned engine if it takes give more advance.
Thanks a lot.
See you



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Re: A.P.E:car electronics and electrical engineering applian

Мнение от ape20ff » 30/07/2010, 17:31

Hello to everybody!
Once upon a time I found this:
http://storage.fiat-bg.org/Books/General_info/SPRAVKA/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Now I found something more, I'd like to share with you to thank your countrymen:
http://3gcl.no-ip.org/3GCL/Datasheets/C ... ta%20Book/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It can be useful too as reference in case somebody would like to use a distributor or ignition from other cars.
It isn't simple,anyway.
I don't know if you already know but there are some 126 manuals in case you need:
http://www.ficoforum.net/prezentacija-p ... -t1915.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: A.P.E:car electronics and electrical engineering applian

Мнение от ape20ff » 24/09/2010, 21:37

Hello to everybody.
What's the news?
There's a polish spare parts on web that sells many parts, many brands of parts manufacter and form many car maker, if I'm not wrong there are over 800 parts for 126.
http://www.motohurt.info/sklep/index.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://motohurt.info/sklep/advanced_sea ... c8&x=9&y=2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just now I discovered that there are 887 parts,last time 888,before over 900. Some parts aren't made anymore.
That should be the pulley with trigger whell for nanoplex-ape20ff ignition:
http://motohurt.info/sklep/product_info ... s_id=55798" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's the nanoplex 211 ignition ecu(limited at 6800 rpm):
http://motohurt.info/sklep/product_info ... s_id=60511" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There should be the 20ff too,ask for it.
There are whole engine too,wit or without cylinder head:
http://motohurt.info/sklep/product_info ... ts_id=6058" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://motohurt.info/sklep/product_info ... s_id=11276" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There are a lot of parts,heads for 126 and cc700-126 bis,rebuilding kit,nearly everything you can need for your 126 or other cars.
Prices are in poland zloty if you need here's the converter:
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amoun ... age=Submit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you need feel free to ask them.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... =&ie=UTF-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Unfortunately the web site is in polish and the translator doesn't work very well.
I write Opole in my profile owing to A.P.E. factory is there but I'm italian so I didn't understand that Deyan's whises were made in polish. Sorry,Deyan. Thank you very much.
I'd like to show a last thing to know what do you think of it. I have no words.
http://cgi.ebay.it/REGOLATORE-DI-TENSIO ... 3a54ea067d" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mind the price!
http://ape.com.pl/index.php?id=21&produkt=113" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It happens very often.
http://cgi.ebay.it/REGOLATORE-DI-TENSIO ... 3cb0e125af" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://cgi.ebay.it/REGOLATORE-DI-TENSIO ... 19b7a0729c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm not sure that the following is the same:
http://cgi.ebay.it/FIAT-500126-600-850- ... 563eb5b292" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just make the comparison:
http://www.eter-mot.com/default.asp?kat ... pro=287248" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Step by step I'm going to understand why I had problem with foreign people and why they don't like italians.
Thank you very much.
See you soon.



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Re: A.P.E:car electronics and electrical engineering applian

Мнение от ape20ff » 24/09/2010, 22:51

Hello,exuse me for the second intrusion. I want to show something good to eat,not only to eat anyway. No profit projects too:
http://www.doemi.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
thank you very much.
See you.



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